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Like large tax increases to fund social security but the only thing i'd ask of her list of policy items was a one-time large student loan forgiveness round. some of these things will get more attention as that problem becomes more acute and i do think this is just going to create a crack-up. paul: you know, it's interesting, allysia, you follow california politics and new york state politics and you see the governors of new york state cuomo very different now, 8 years when he ran as moderate and gavin, democratic candidate for california now much further left. so this primary suggests, i think...

Proposing are things really want but some are afraid to commit to like large tax increases to fund social security but the only thing i'd ask of her list of policy items was a one-time large student loan forgiveness round. some of these things will get more attention as that problem becomes more acute and i do think this is just going to create a crack-up. paul: you know, it's interesting, allysia, you follow california politics and new york state politics and you see the governors of new york state cuomo very different now, 8 years when he ran as moderate and gavin, democratic candidate for c...

San diego has a republican. you see it in new york with democratic governor cuomo and with chris christie in new jersey. the fact -- >> i mean, it's everywhere. >> it's a race to the bottom. >> but here's the issue. they have serious budget problems they have to face. and both sides, for a very long time, offered a lot of sweeteners for public union support or in some cases, with republicans, hoping that the unions wouldn't do anything, to get their votes. and really, the leadership of these unions really have to stop worrying about themselves -- >> many of them have taken cuts, though. >> the...

Workers. they get paid too much or benefits are too good. the divide is taking place. what's happening here? >> scott walker said it very good, divide and conquer. go after the public sector workers, go after the government employees, government employees don't go anything, and you're right. get down to firefighters and they actually do do something. but san diego's an incredibly conservative, incredibly republican town. so they're all -- >> but this is a wave that's taking place now. >> and this is taking place with democrats and republicans. san jose has a democratic mayor, san diego has a r...