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To take a hard look at europeans. and how we will manage refugee influxes in the future because this is not a story that is over now this is going to be something that we will deal with in the future and if we just close our eyes and say ok if we keep the refugees outside of european borders then our problem is solved this is not the case and the 2nd point i want to make is this idea of this symbolic discussion about saving refugees from the mediterranean and this is why we're incentivizing this is closing our eyes towards the real issues that drive migration the real push factors it's not the...

How long have we been talking about -- the experts, the people who do this everything the day that risked their lives -- we've been out there pleading congress that they need to step up. the only dysfunctional thing ist congress! their inability to do what we've been begging them to do, to fix the flores settlement agreement so we don't release familiesle into the united states. tdpra, which allows us -- we are forced kids from the northern triangle countries, we have to let them into the united states. we have told them, that is the incentive, that is the pull factor. if they pass meaningful ...

Outrageous. how long have we been talking about -- the experts, the people who do this everything the day that risked their lives -- we've been out there pleading congress that they need to step up. the only dysfunctional thing is congress! their inability to do what we've been begging them to do, to fix the floor settlement agreement so we don't release families into the united states. td pra, which allows us -- we are forced kids from the northern triangle countries, we have to let them into the united states. we have told them, that is the incentive, that is the pull factor. if they pass me...

Expect, would actually dissipate some of the pull factor. >> i want to talk more about the process, the role asylum plays in all this. i spoke to congressman will hurd last night about this. this is what we told me. >> by treating everybody as an asyla asigh asylum seeker, they stay in the united states for almost five years before they go through their complete immigration court case, that is what is driving -- that is the pull that is pulling people here. >> so they get here and say, what? >> credible fear. right? i have credible fear. and usually, what's happening, though, they're not doing...

Into it. so there's an doesn't when you get here to claim asylum that's going to result in a three, four, five-year period of time you're able to wait in this country for your hearing. some of these factors, you know, it's funny, the solutions we tried to attempt to stop this have actually been the ones that don't address the actual factors that are driving the people here in the first place. >> okay. so from what i hear you saying, more people are coming in and it's being handled differently? >> sure, we had a shift along the border beginning in about 2013. you saw mexican migration begin to ...