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Other on february 16th. meeting in the exact location these migrants met. the 2,000 to 3,000 in tijuana we followed. you are talking about a significant number. upwards of 15 to 20,000 people of caravans. why is this happening? the biggest pull factor is the new president of mexico. he is pro-immigrant and helping these people. he let them walk through gates. i walked with them. he gave them this visa program that they stopped but not totally done away. in the "washington post" today mexico's position is no longer

Bag and go back down. we knew way back when that how this original caravan was handled would determine whether or not more are coming. it's called a pull factor. the border patrol is turning blue in the face why this matters. they have determined, based on stagnant government shutdown that we have got that it was time to come again so here they come. rachel: it's bigger and stronger as it moves up. it's going to get big irin el salvador and more people in guatemala. coming up north. people organizing this caravan we are going to stop several cities because the mexican government has received a...

There more caravan on the way we have heard that does he know he? says he knows for a fact there is at least a third or fourth caravan still coming with about 1,000 people and when you talk about the border patrol having pull factor meaning it's a pull factor to bring more caravans. people are in route from central american countries until they fully know exactly how we, the united states and the tijuana officials at least here is the san ysidro port are going to handle the situation. another final point very quickly is that eduardo said, listen, anybody could quickly pay money to one the crim...

Going to be a magnet. people are going to flood the borders, trying to take advantage of it. and so i'm curious, if that's constantly your problem every time this issue comes up, then how can you entertain any kind of comprehensive immigration bi bill. >> i understand the question. if we put together a package and pass it, the conversation is over. there are those who will receive some sort of permanent status. that's what the president has been very clear on. he also favored two bipartisan bills. i think what he has been clear on is he will not do half measures. we have to stop the actual pul...

Would be a pull factor. so what we're trying to do is do them in conjunction. some people here that we've talked about giving permanent status to. but at the same time we have to close these loopholes so when we do that, we don't pull up another huge population told by the smugglers, go now. go now. that is not how it will work any more. thank you for your time. but let us and sarah know and we'll continue to you give you details as we get them. but thank you for your time. thank you, secretary nielson. we're already running long so weep jump straight into questions. sean. >> back in january...