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Treated like trash, that's how they felt. they felt they were being treated like trash. >> that's the heartbreaking part of this. >> that's not entirely fair because there were people who welcomed the migrants. >> people who made difficult political decisions. >> exactly. but it created more of a pull factor. was that better? >> we had that conversation in the uk where the conservatives said if you stop saving them, they'll stop coming. you have to debate what that does to your humanity. can you watch thousands and thousands of people washing up on shores. >> why does it have to take that imag...

It. >> there is no way the refugee trail unfolded that it was good for any of them or any of the european states. it weakens european ins stoout stugss and. >> that idea of europe or even america, it is meant to be a democracy. it is meant to uphold all this ideals and values and to be treated like trash, that's how they felt. they felt like they were being treated like trash. >> i think it depended on the country or the border. that's not entirely fair. there were people who welcomed these migrants. >> and people that made very difficult political decisions. >> it created more of a pull facto...

For any of the refugees and migrants or any of the european states. it weakens the european institutions and the boundaries and borders. >> and the idea of, you know, europe or america, it's meant to be a democracy. meant to uphold all of these ideals and values and to be treated like trash. that's how they felt that they felt like they were being treated like trash. >> that's heart breaking. >> it's depend dent on the count friday and the border. that's not entirely true. there were people who welcomed them. but it also created more of a pull factor. and was that better? >> then we had that c...

Refugee trail unfolded it's good for any of the refugees or any of the european states. it kind of weakens european institutions. >> it also became a debate. >> that idea of europe or even america it's meant to be a democracy. it's meant to uphold all these ideals and values and to be treated like trash, that's how they felt. they felt like they were being treated like trash. >> it's dependent on the country and the border as well. it's not entirely fair because there were people who welcomed migrants. >> and people who made difficult political decisions. >> it created more of a pull factor. w...

These are images that the world needs to see. these barefoot children walking hours and hours to reach a better life. want to bring in cnn global affairs analyst bobby goch esmth. these are images the world needs to see, the world is seeing them, they are. we have evidence of that, but the question is what to do about it now. there's this debate, is it a push factor? is it because they're fleeing syria and afghanistan and war-torn regions or the pull factor that germany has opened its doors and they see a chance so they're running to these places like a magnet. >> i think the answer is all of ...