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People broke the law, they were prosecuted and they don't get to take their kids to jail with them. what's going to happen next? people with duis they get paid as well? >> rachel: yeah, i mean we have seen these images by the way, rodney, of people throwing their, you know, the cartels throwing little kids over of the walls. we have seen kids abandoned in the dessert. it's been horrific to see. others are caught in sex trafficking. i'm just worried that this is going to incentivize parents in other countries to do something very irresponsible which is to bring their children on this journey. t...

Listen here to the cho. >> with your 30 year' experience, is there a way to slow or even stop this flow of migrants? >> yeah, you're never going to stop migration especially when you hook at the conditions in some of these countries and then the conditions here. our economy's starting to open up. certainly, the health situation is much better here than in mexico or central america, so there's always going to be push and pull factors. >> reporter: as you took a look at live pictures from our drone team, there are republicans who believe this can be stopped despite those push and pull factors. c...

Supportive of a president, president biden, the way they've been handling so many other things, vaccines and so many other things including infrastructure. i've been very supportive. but on the border, again, i speak from somebody that doesn't go and spend a couple of hours and think that i know more than people that have lifetime experiences and i'm not talking about myself. i'm talking about the mayors, judges, the land owners, the board patrol and the men and women down there. and i want them to understand that when democrats talk about the issue, they only talk about the push factors what,...

Happening there. there are people just coming in, if we don't take the incentives away then they're going to keep coming, that's plain and simple. charles: you've seen this before, but the numbers that we're seeing now seem astonishing. i don't know if we've ever had it to this degree and what do you make of vice-president harris saying, well, she's kind of searching, trying to find the roots of the problems as maybe a way of addressing this rather than coming down, the sense of urgency to come down now. >> well, look, there are factors, she's concentrating on the push factors. there's no magi...

An official reach out to the v.p. the person tasked with solving this issue, the root causes, kamala harris, what is the reason she hasn't come in 85 days. what do they tell you? >> i don't know. i make the invitation. we have to push and pull factors. when you look at the border and i thank you for visiting the border. i live at the border so i have a lifetime experience. my brother is a border sheriff for 27 years doing narcotics. there are ways to address the border issues. the border wall with all due respect border wall is a 14th century poll saoution to a 21st century problem. we need pe...