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It's hippocratic oath. >> juan: no, no, no. hospitals are penalized unless they do that. so people get the benefit for the fact all of us have high rates because we pay for people who are uninsured which is what the president is trying to do. let me respond to miss perino. miss perino -- >> kimberly: quick. >> juan: let me say, you realize that the path's picking up on a conservative argument and absolutely condemning judicial activism. i never heard you say before, oh, my gosh, i can't believe conservatives are trying to -- >> dana: okay. so say that's true. he is losing. he can't help himsel...

It's hippocratic oath. >> juan: no, no, no. hospitals are penalized unless they do that. so people get the benefit for the fact all of us have high rates because we pay for people who are uninsured which is what the president is trying to do. let me respond to miss perino. miss perino -- >> kimberly: quick. >> juan: let me say, you realize that the path's picking up on a conservative argument and absolutely condemning judicial activism. i never heard you say before, oh, my gosh, i can't believe conservatives are trying to -- >> dana: okay. so say that's true. he is losing. he can't help himsel...