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Americans the facts. if part of that is putting the president on the stand to have him go through the painful exercise of taking the fifth amendment again and again and again as he's asked questions, then we may well see it, but the big card holder is the justice department and where they're headed. >> juanita, to joyce's part about not having a crystal ball, i play that info wars clip not as any type of matter of facts, pure conjecture, but what does it tell you that this is the message they are choosing to run with? >> this is what they're trying to feed to their base, but also signal to tru...

They're on a fact-finding and a legislation mission that they have already tipped their hand they're considering making a criminal referral over to the justice department. so the way jim jordan and others react to these requests will be very telling for their future. >> joyce, you watched that video of jim jordan ducking in a number of ways and times the question about when he spoke with the former president. as you watched that, what does it tell you about the type of witness he would be even if he was willing to meet with the committee? >> so that's the real jim jordan. that's the unguarded,...

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Memo, the special counsel argued about flynn that what he had been testifying about that took place during the transition was relevant to the russia investigation. and i've seen conjecture out there, speculation, that maybe there was some quid pro quo, something happened during the campaign, and then in the transition, okay, we're going to lift the sanctions. that's pure conjecture. but what could it be? >> there are so many points in time. remember, he was somebody who was the first person to tell the president that vladimir putin contacted him to congratulate him for the victory. he's somebo...

Look at this way. the judge is following the law. they have no politics here. every federal judge that has looked at this case and similar cases across the country, you check the record. they have sided with the transgendered student because they cannot be discriminated against because they identify with being a woman or identify with being a guy. it's not anatomy that counts. they're in a protected class. this decision is based on the law. you don't like it but you have to live with it. >> laura: harmeet, last word. >> anatomy does count and it's relevant and the other students have privacy r...