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Figuring that out. because it is not just south carolina. it's also a lot of these southern states that come afterward. it's california. a lot of the states that come later on in the process require you to appeal to black and hispanic voters. and for that reason alone, even if joe biden loses in iowa and loses in new hampshire, the delegate count is what matters. and he has a major advantage because of his strength with minority voters. >> and the durability and recognizability. you know, joe biden has proven here to fore to be -- he's not a great debater and he seems slow in some respects and...

The campaign that's really still getting a lot of play. that is the wine cave moment when elizabeth warren attacked him. watch. >> so, the mayor just recently had a fundraiser that was held in a wine cave full of crystals and served $900 a bottle wine. billionaires in wine caves should not pick the next president of the united states. griff: is he really maybe with his donation schtick, i'm not sure how it's going to work out for him. is it really helping to keep the steam rolling on what was clearly a win for buttigieg? >> he said that she couldn't pass her own purity test. and if pete buttig...

A bottle wine. >> now is not the time for these kind of purity tests to distract from what we are all trying to do. >> i don't think the american people are looking for purity. they are looking for someone who's trying, trying to make the system better and that's what i'm doing. >> for anyone who accuses us of instituting purity test, it's called having values. it's called giving a damn. >> i wouldn't be doing this if i didn't have values and give a damn. >> bret: residual followed from the debate in los angeles, the back and forth between elizabeth warren and pete buttigieg. the latest polls,...

Trauma versus quinton, we struggled to get out the vote with young people, people of color, minorities, and we have to do a better job with that. in >> leland: there is now this question of purity test when it comes to donors. elizabeth warren's latest campaign ad taking a hit at mayor pete, take a listen. >> i am not doing big dollar, i am not cozying up to super pacs and my first priority as president will be to pass the biggest package of anticorruption reform since watergate. >> leland: as you watch that, do you worry about candidates over the next couple of cycles having to pass this dono...

Tests you yourself cannot pass." >> jon: the point being at the same time on that stage, the only person on that stage that was not a millionaire or a billionaire. i'm not buying that any one of the individual candidates haven't endorsed anybody but i think that's one of the challenges supporters of elizabeth warren have, you apply this purity test in an environment where it actually doesn't work. unfortunately because citizens united is a thing, if we are going to battle republicans we are going to have to be able to battle them on the same playing field. we can do that with our arms tied beh...