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Crossing. that is in a single day. there is an element of a push factor and as much as the pull of a better life and better prospects and safety here in the uk, however much that is a pull, it is the push factor that is often seen as the greater driver, the fact that people are fleeing some of the most perilous places in the world, the majority of people making that crossing coming from chad, eritrea, egypt, sudan and iran, and that push factor, fleeing poverty, war and persecution, is so great that it pushes them to take the risk, of risking everything in order to make that crossing. let's br...

Catholic charity. my wife volunteers for catholic charity. it's not sustainable. the other lesson from all of this in my judgment is illegal immigration is a very information sensitive phenomenon. it reacts sharply to news about changes and enforcement policies in the united states. >> trump took it into an inhumane level. the news gets down in central america and the number falls softly. >> the correlating of that is haufr, as long as the underlying conditions exist in central america. the push factor which is overwhelmed and as long as those are under lined. the numbers are always going reve...

Whether it's working with mexico to try and come up with some more humane way to deal with them before they cross or here in the united states? >> the vice president is looking to address root causes, which is a massive change in immigration policy, even from the obama administration, and is the way we make sure we address the push factor, what makes people want to migrate and come to the united states. that includes economic development, aid, disaster relief, things she has taken as challenges and she's tackling and making progress on. i applaud the biden administration for that and vice pres...

Washington. so i think there's sort of a massive frustration on both sides. >> rashad, let's talk about that push factor and that is what's stopping democrats from firming up initial details about the public aspect of the probe that they have been critical of, even if they haven't finished their closed-door depositions? >> they will never finish closed-door depositions if they continue to go down the rabbit holes that these witnesses are creating. remember, every time there is a new witness they say something or potentially say something that could be investigated. so there has to be a timelin...

Make their asylum claim. by the end of the process, if the judge allows them to leave which in most cases it does not happen, they have to be removed from the country. we can effectuate that removal. >> isn't one of the major pull factors the conditions in the countries they're fleeing? >> it is a push factor. there are certain things that the government has provided certainly large sums of funding to these countries to improve their conditions. what we saw when there's, every time the immigration enforcement context, when there is a context, we get less illegal activity. >> so the choice then...