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By the end of the year. >> by hook or by crook? >> that's where they are right now. they have to get this done. and it is more important and let's not kid ourselves, any nominee donald trump puts up is going to match his base popularity. pretty much close to it. so if it's not kavanagh and it's someone else. i'm willing to bet that they're going to have really low approval numbers too. and that's unfortunately the way this process is going to go, probably for a very long time, whether it be a team -- >> there should be more time for americans to get to know who was being put forth. that's exac...

There is really nothing that the democrats can do about it. >> so to your point, if there is nothing they can do about it they at least want the fight so let's get to that. cory booker a democratic senator of new jersey announced at the iowa democratic party and you can connect the dots. at one point he called this a different moment. >> knowingly violated the rules that put forth. i understand the penalty comes with potential ousting from the senate. i say i'm knowingly violated the rules. >> how many times? >> yesterday, i broke the sham committee confidentiality rules and i accept full resp...

There's now a serious staffing problem at the white house. not only is don mcgahn leaving, but there are several other members of the white house counsel's office who are also leaving their positions. these are crucial roles. what could this mean for the business of government that there are going to be so many vacancies in white house counsel's office? >> you are absolutely correct to point out this is going to be a major change at the white house. it's not just mcgahn. it's the people that were working with mcgahn. they were trying to keep on top of all of the judicial nominations that the p...

They use cooperators all the time. the defense attorneys say they are liars and terrible people and the government chose these people. the prosecutors said we didn't choose the witnesses. paul manafort chose the witnesses in this case. he's the one who was partners with rick gates and he's the who was working with these foreign he's telling you what they did together. >> it's the argument some are making. >> i was thinking the same thing. exactly. suddenly she's so terrible. at least donald trump doesn't have to worry at this moment about a prosecution. >> in terms of manafort's legal troubles...

Russia investigation. that was something that was supposed to be barred from this courtroom. there was supposed to be no mention of the russia collusion investigation or any real mention of president trump. so the judge instructed the jury, they said the judge said disregard what the defense team has told you about this. do not pay attention to this theory that the defense team has put out there. so really, the defense team had a very aggressive closing argument here, really trying to go after the prosecution put forth as well as rick gates himself. >> jessica, thanks very much. appreciate it....