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I think two things. one is that prigozhin doesn't seem to be coming up against much opposition. there's even talk of him having taken the second city. and the second is actually very interesting, which is he's called out the false mandate that caused this war, that putin claimed that ukraine was being run by nazis, posed a military threat to russia, as did nato. what prigozhin has done is he's called it out as a lie, and that really does threaten, i think, the whole sort of putin system now, which has been creaking ever since this war started because of the failures of russian troops on the gr...

Difficult. >> here is one part. >> oh such can said he's help those fleeing and the documents they bring that make him a target. like the images he shows us on his computer of what he says are russian surveillance radar positions aimed at europe, dating back to 2017. given to him, osechkin says, by a three star general now in exile. >> putin, why he want to kill me he very scared there is a lot of people who now work in the putin system but they want to find the way together with west with with europe, with united states and to stop putin when osechkin leaves us, it's what some of the policema...

By a three star general, now in exile. >> putin? why wants to kill me? he is very scared, there's a lot of people who now work in the putin system, but they want to find the way who work together with the west, with ukraine, with europe, that the united states, and to stop putin. >> when he leaves us, it's with some of the policeman who, since september, ensure his security day and night. maria, like many of the russians arriving, has no such protection, and little money left, but she agreed to speak to us, hoping for a better future in the west. >> and well isabella joins us now, just extraor...

Dangerously like russia based on the divisions of russia in the 1990s and then the putin system that came out of that. talk more about that. >> well, look this is something that some russian commentators have commented on as well. 1990s in russia after a collapse of the soviet union, during the period of the presidency of boris yeltsin was full of political chaos and polarization, fighting in the russian parliament, you know, for example, a whole plethora of political parties but none of them could get traction. eventually what happened in the russian system in 2000 was when vladimir putin cam...

About him being a nato it's about ukraine being a sovereign democracy, it doesn't want to be part of the russian empire. and who's democracy challenges the idea of -- a cause if ukraine can be a successful democracy and maybe some day it will be that is a challenge to putin system. if his argument is i am the only -- system like mine can run russia. ukraine's close to russia, working geographically and culture culturally if ukraine can be a democracy and russia says while we can have that is. well the use of nato as a retrospective conversation about nato, remembering things that weren't set a...