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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20240604 08:31:00

My sister. reporter: puzzled cathy s friends too. i was like, camping? cathy was not a camper. reporter: and there was this i recall him at some point, mr. winkler saying, do you think i killed my wife? reporter: is that a question an innocent man would ask, johnson wondered? and when the investigator responded, johnson remembered thinking todd s behavior seemed off, inappropriate. if i remember correctly, special agent roberts says, did you? and then at that point he became very emotional, you know? oh, i can t believe and his body language and his demeanor was just so over the top. reporter: but though they may have had their suspicions back in 1999, suspicion alone didn t make the death of cathy winkler anything but what it was called at the time, an accident. insurance companies investigated and paid out, because they felt ....

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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20211129 05:30:00

Why did it look like the fire had been burning for a long time? it was the whole side of the mountain. it was a big mountain. it had to have been burnin an hour or two. yeah, probably. i would think. closer to two. curiosities. why would he bring her up here to the very top of the mountain to go camping it s an hour s drive over a rutted track to the other campers farther down the hill. according to cathy s family she didn t like camping at all. so why would he bring her to the most remote possible place? no one camps up there. unless you want to be really secluded. and that, said cathy s brother, was not something she would have wanted. did she like to go camping? no. she d rather be in a hotel any day over a tent, knowin my sister. puzzled cathy s friends too. i was like, camping? cathy was not a camper. and there was this i recall him at some point, mr. winkler ....

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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20210809 07:30:00

It had to have been burnin an hour or two. yeah, probably. i would think. closer to two. curiosities. why would he bring her up here to the very top of the mountain to go camping it s an hour s drive over a rutted track to the other campers farther down the hill. according to cathy s family she didn t like camping at all. so why would he bring her to the most remote possible place? no one camps up there. unless you want to be really secluded. and that said cathy s brother was not something she would have wanted. did she like to go camping? no. she d rather be in a hotel any day over a tent, knowin my sister. puzzled cathy s friends too. i was like, camping? cathy was not a camper. and there was this i recall him at some point, mr. winkler saying, do you think i killed my wife? is that a question an innocent man would ask, johnson wondered? ....

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Transcripts for MSNBC All In With Chris Hayes 20191226 01:32:00

I would think. closer to two. reporter: curiosities. why would he bring up here to the very top of the mountain to go camping it s an hour s drive over a rutted track to the other campers farther down the hill. acording to cathy s family she didn t like camping at all. so why would he bring her to the most remote possible place? no one camps up there. unless you want to be really secluded. reporter: and that said cathy s brother was not something she would have wanted. did she like to go camping? no. she d rather be in a hotel any day over a tent, knowin my sister. reporter: puzzled cathy s friends too. i was like, camping? cathy was not a camper. reporter: and there was this i recall him at some point, mr. winkler saying, do you think i killed my wife? reporter: is that a question an innocent man would ask, johnson wondered? and when the investigaor responded. johnson remembered thinking todd s behavior seemed off, inappropriate. ....

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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline Extra 20191129 06:32:00

Didn t like camping at all. so why would he bring her to the most remote possible place? no one camps up there. unless you want to be really secluded. reporter: and that said cathy s brother was not something she would have wanted. did she like to go camping? no. she d rather be in a hotel any day over a tent, knowin my sister. reporter: puzzled cathy s friends too. i was like, camping? cathy was not a camper. reporter: and there was this i recall him at some point, mr. winkler saying, do you think i killed my wife? reporter: is that a question an innocent man would ask, johnson wondered? and when the investigator responded, johnson remembered thinking todd s behavior seemed off, inappropriate. if i remember correctly, special agent roberts says, did you? and then at that point he became very emotional, you know? oh, i can t believe ....

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