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Giuliani's name has been used as the access point in terms of the person running the arms-for-dirt campaign rick talks about. giuliani's involvement in inescapable, and so ultimately the question ends up being will giuliani save himself and, you know, people keep on talking about the use of a presidential pardon for somebody like, i don't know, paul manafort, who i know has state charges but also somebody like roger stone. so will a presidential pardon be on the table for somebody like rudy giuliani? remember, giuliani said, "hey, i have insurance if something goes awry with something like don...

Came in to you. did he tell you, secretary panetta it was a terrorist attack? >> you know what he told me was that there was an attack on our imownd compound. >> he didn't use the word terror? >> you know, in the heat of the moment, bill, what folks are focused on is what is happening on the ground. do we have eyes on it how can we make sure. >> he just want to get it on the record did he tell you it was a terror attack? >> bill, what he said to me we have got an attack on our compound. >> no terror attack. >> we don't know yet who is doing it understand by definition, bill, when somebody is a...

Characterized it the day after it happened. the question ends up being, who in fact was attacking us? >> but it's more than that because of susan rice. it's more than that because of susan rice goes out and tells the world that it was a spontaneous demonstration off a videotape, but your commanders and secretary of defense know it's a terror attack. >> bill, bill -- >> just as an american, i'm confused. >> i'm trying to explain it to you if you want to listen. in fact of the matter is people understood at the time something very dangerous was happening. that we were focused on making sure we d...

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