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I mean, you know, yes, trump confronts somebody who can tell him no, and that's exactly what nancy pelosi is saying, so the question is how do we get out of this, and you know, i could write a script that would fit normal times in which the president would realize that he's in a corner and look for a way out or republican senators relatively quickly would see that this is a no win situation for them, and begin to cave. but these are not normal times, and donald trump is not a normal person, so your guess is perhaps better than mine as to exactly how we get out of this worsening mess. >> ruth m...

Will be able to have a punch line in a political speech as a fiscal conservative, i say that is an immoral use of taxpayers' dollars, especially when we all know that first of all the wall is not going to work and, secondly, $5 billion is such an incredibly small amount to try to erect this massive wall that again it's all a face saving device, besides, for democrats, you got a president who has been bragging about wanting to shut down the government for a very long time. he shut it down. let him get his votes from republicans. here's a clip that chuck schumer tweeted out last night and it sho...

Would i shut it down over this issue, yes. believe me, if we have to shut down our government, we will get that wall. >> he said we need a government shut jo unto fix this mess. >> if there is a shutdown, i think it would be a tremendously negative mark on the president of the united states. >> so, mike barnical, the president obviously has wanted this for a very long time, told chuck schumer, he would take full ownership of it. i think most americans are suggesting he has full ownership. the problem is, donald trump has been itching for a fight that only 25% of americans support. which means ...

>> the president telling politico that he would shut down the government. >> i would have no problem doing a shutdown. >> president trump tweet that he, quote, would be willing to shut down the government. >> even if we have to think about closing up the country for a while, we're going to get the wall. we have no choice. >> we'll close can down the country. >> the kwe donif we don't chang love to see a shutdown if we don't get this is if you have taken care of. then shut it down. we'll go with another smutdown. i would shut it down over this issue. i can't speak for everybody at the table, bu...

Immorality. it's not who we are as a nation. >> you know a wall also is again this is symbolic. it is symbolic. donald trump doesn't feel like he can back down as noah rothman said. the democrats are in any mood to back down. why should they be? this is extraordinarily unpopular with the american people. 25% of americans think it is worth shutting down the government to give donald trump his $5 billion that he wants to build a wall or slats, metal slats or whatever he claims that he wants to build with that money and as a fiscal conservative. i say, do not give any politician $5 billion of tax...