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Where he not -- we're winning battles perhaps. we're not sure against isis we're winning battles. we're not winning quote wars. and i think this goes back to the volunteer army. the lack of engagement by the country. the country ramps itself up emotionally when there's horrendous beheading but it falls back off the radar. we go about our lives. speaking metaphorically. and we're not really engaged in this in a big way. clearly, the president does not want to be. >> the piece in the atlantic is a tour deforce about this. over reverence for the military in a weird way that politicians they are a...

Address these issues, it's got to be the civilian components of u.s. government that step up to the plate. >> sarah general thank you for a sobering look at what is the state of america at war or i guess this is what post war america looks like in the 21st century. let me get reaction from the panel. andrea, this is your beat. 2015 the year of no more wars. that's not the case. >> it's not the case. and the general and sarah are both right, i think, in that where he not -- we're winning battles perhaps. we're not sure against isis we're winning battles. we're not winning quote wars. and i thin...

U.s. government that step up to the plate. >> sarah, general, thank you for a sobering look at what is the state of america at war or i guess this is what post war america looks like in the 21st century. let me get reaction from the panel. andrea, this is your beat. 2015, the year of no more wars. that's not the case. >> it's not the case. and the general and sarah are both right, i think, in that where he not -- we're winning battles perhaps. we're not sure against isis we're winning battles. we're not winning quote wars. and i think this goes back to the volunteer army. the lack of engagemen...