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Numbers of people who are innocent with virtually 0% success rate. >> massive majority of whom have no guns, no weapons. >> nothing. the second example are muslim americans. the new york city police department spy on -- >> students on rafting trips, for example. >> millions of dollars in this. zero results. what they're saying in both of those situations is the reason why we're doing this is because we're keeping you safe. if you stop us from doing this, you will be left safe. essentially putting the 4th amendment against people's feelings of personal safety. last thing i'll say is in terms of...

That what they should be doing after 9/11, the old mentality is you wait for a crime to be committed, you prosecute it and goes in the national security sphere and policing sphere and new mentality that's brought crime down and prevented another big attack like 9/11, you stop them from happening in first place. >> you can't do that, because if you try to do that you're doing that on backs of the communities you're spying on. three examples, number one, the stop and frisk case. obviously black and brown new yorkers, stopping massive numbers of people who are innocent with virtually 0% success r...

Big attack like 9/11, you stop them from happening in first place. >> you can't do that, because if you try to do that you're doing that on backs of the communities you're spying on. three examples, number one, the stop and frisk case. obviously black and brown new yorkers, stopping massive numbers of people who are innocent with virtually 0% success rate. >> massive majority of whom have no guns, no weapons. >> nothing. the second example are muslim americans. the new york city police department spy on -- >> students on rafting trips, for example. >> millions of dollars in this. zero results....

Concerns about public interaction, they are stopping people from coming into certain areas, there are already people in the wilderness area that have been camping or going down the river. we're talking to everyone. we want any information from anybody who might have seen something or heard something and so we're certainly going to talk to anyone that we come in contact with, but at this point haven't had any reports of any problems. >> so, are you stopping rafting groups from going through? >> i don't believe that we are. i believe that as long as they are inside the wilderness area, as long a...