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Needle. i thought it was an effort to solve a problem. as it turns out, most people didn't consider this distinction. for them, it was synonymous. >> one of those people that saw it synonymous turns out to be the president of the united states. i take it you didn't know until the call record was released that the president and that call doesn't raise burisma, he asked for an investigation of the bidens. is that right? >> that is correct. >> i take it since you say that you acknowledge that asking for an investigation of the bidens would have been unacceptable and objectionable, that had the pr...

>> and then you see the highlighted portion of the next text. the other is identical to your previous one and then it just adds including these involving burisma and the 2016 i elections. is that sflicorrect? >> he said that is necessary for that date of birth credibl to be credible. >> the ukrainians did not issue the statement. >> no. >> and president zelenskyy did not get the oval office meeting either, did he? >> not yet. >> now, i want to move forward to september. and early september. when the security assistance begins to more overtly be used as lefrnl to pressure the ukrainians to cond...

And there rests in the past at prosecuting the previous government. i think mr. lutsenko and i said this to mayor giuliani was interested in preserving his own position. he wanted to avoid being fired by a new government in order to possible prosecution of himself and possibly also this is something in a so by making allegations like this, and making sure that they are reaching u.s. media. i think mr. that he is trying to make himself appear to be an important and influential player. n. the united states. >> ambassador, let me ask you about the allegations against joe biden. that has been a co...

Interference. >> it does not. >> you testified that you and ambassador sondland and mayor giuliani had a conversation about this draft after you received it, is that right? >> that's correct. >> and mr. giuliani said that if the statement did not include burisma in 2016 he leshgs it would not have any correct. is that right? >> that's correct. >> now this was the same rudy giuliani that president trump was discussing in that may 23rd meeting and asked you to -- you and the others to talk, to correct? >> that is the same mr. giuliani. >> and even at that point on may 23rd, you were aware of the...

Be convincing that this government represented real change in ukraine, the statement should include specific reference to burisma and 2016. again, there was no mention of vice president biden in these conversations. ambassador sondland and i discussed the points and i ended the statement drafted by mr. yermoc to include the points to see how it looked. i then discussed it further with mr. yermoc. he said for a number of reasons including the fact that he was still officially the prosecutor general, that they did not want to mention burisma and 2016 and the idea of putting out a statement were ...