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We're back with "conversation nation." joining us msnbc's krystal ball, chuck nice, and carolyn. thank you all for being here. >> thanks for having us, rev. >> we start with the uproar over the st. louis rams protest. st. louis police called the rams players' hands up protest in support of ferguson protesters tasteless, offensive, and inflammatory. the st. louis police chief claims the rams official apologized, but the team is denying any apology was made. this shows the deep division and why so many people are looking for an outlet.

Protect. this rams story got more interesting. conflicting accounts whether a top official with the st. louis rams apologized for five players who head the hands up don't shoot gesture before sunday's game. county police chief said he spoke with the executive vice president of football operations who apologized. the police chief said it was a heart felt phone call with the official who regretted that the gestures may have minimized the work of the police departments and officers. the rams official however now denies ever apologizing. he says in part, in none of these conversations did i apolog...