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Quid pro quo, we can call it extortion, bribery. all of it points in the same direction. the parnas testimony if that's materializes would be just another point in that. >> and here's why. it hasn't been corroborated. he's under indictment. if it is corroborated, it's one of the earliest instances of them telling ukraine the president's thoughts on this. this ran sosom they wanted essentially. and they say the ukrainians didn't know that aid had been on hold. so that would really change that. he makes clear what this is -- >> at an outdoor cafe in kiev. the brings up mulvaney who appears to be...

Need my data back. >> when you were in government, the last thing you would have wanted was a private company to pay ran sosom. disney, we don't know they paid a ransom to keep that movie from being put online but it certainly smells like this. >> this is business trying to do business and government trying to worry about the future and not encourage the activity. it true in hostages and terrorism. the point we really get is we need a much more co hehesive strategy to make all of us less susceptible to the attacks. >> should the public be losing confidence in the nsa? >> i think the public sho...