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Immigration and trade. >> i'm so glad that bob brought up the apprentice. they had an extraordinary run. >> right. he used to send us rating and circle stuff and write little notes to us. >> had an incredible run. everybody in his agency was telling him not to do it. he did it anyway. he was right. what an incredible run. on the backside of that success, he would still fax us rating and put in big letters, number one again, donald. you'd like at the rate ing and would be like 17. i'd say, i don't understand this. it was so funny. maybe 2011, 2012. the end of a remarkable run but

>> well, it's an issue that i think a lot of democrats also, chris, are towing the nra line on. you know, my personal view is that if i was -- i would vote for background checks. i think it's critical -- on the issue. i think it's fair to say the national rifle association may be the most power -- group in washington. those republican senators i think are making votes based on their political vulnerabilities or their perceived vulnerabilities in a republican primary. they don't want to lose the "a" rate ing. they don't want to come under attack from the gun lobby. >> what is that about, robert...