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Raw intelligence and intercepts. they are the people thinking strategically. it starts out being strange that there are people scrutinizing raw intercepts. some of the individuals named, and i should be very clear that i don't know if that story is true or not, but these individuals are recent arrivals at the national security council. and then who does the nsc work for? they work for the president of the united states. so why if this is all true, individuals at the nsc would say instead of going to our boss with this information that we think is important, maybe compromising, we're going to c...

>> i keep thinking that alice in wonder land, curiouser and curiouser, nothing about this story is in any way, shape, or form by the book. remember that the national security council, this is a group of people who advise the president on national security. they're not the ones deep in the basement in some building outside of washington looking at raw intelligence and intercepts. they are the people thinking strategically. it starts out being strange that there are people scrutinizing raw intercepts. and then, of course, these are so why if this is all true, individuals at the nsc would say ins...

Raw intelligence and intercepts. they are the people thinking strategically. it starts out being strange that there are people scrutinizing raw intercepts. and then, of course, these are not necessarily professionals. some of the individuals named, and i should be very clear that i don't know if that story is true or not, but these individuals are recent arrivals at the national security council. and then who does the nsc work for? they work for the president of the united states. so why if this is all true, individuals at the nsc would say instead of going to our boss with this information th...

Access to raw intercepts. he may have had access to some of the product of those searches which he shouldn't have access to either. did he have to use some sort of method to gain access to this or do we need to tighten what people can access. >> worth delve into. secret overseas nuclear projects, calamity to other friendly powers, identity of aggressive intruders. the net is cast and they're picking up families' baby pictures and love letters along the side. fuelling the debate. >> absolutely. as you point out, we're gaining valuable intelligence at the same time. we don't want to stop the flo...

We are back now and joined buy our roundtable. columnist for "time" magazine and republican strategist, the bow-tied michael murphy this morning. presidential historian doris kearns goodwin, the bbc's katty kay, associate editor of "the washington post," author of "obama's wars," bob woodward. happy mother's day to you, ladies. i will start with that. bob woodward, what do we now know that we didn't know report? you reported exclusive details over the weekend in "the washington post"? >> well, we know that this was a ten-year hunt that was very frustrating for everyone, at the highest level an...