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insurrection that you're talking about, not war? >> no, i don't think so, chris. i think there's more to this than it being just a re tor ral flourish. you have to remember, we have a more contemporary example of the dangers of what happens when you say these kinds of things in texas. 15 years ago there was a guy running around saying this, convinced people to take up arms. they went to the mountains in west texas. he demanded that texas secede. there was a gun fight. people were injured. and when somebody like sarah palin or the governor starts saying these kinds of things, there's a risk to whipping up a danger and a risk and a frenzy that might end up with something irresponsible. >> i'm not a big fan of rick perry. here's rick perry last april with cnbc's larry cutler. listen to him and lawrence when he makes this first inti mags. >> we're still part of the union down here in texas.