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Power outage. really making this effort to get people to safe places and to see how bad the damage really was a little bit more difficult. >> and how often have you been feeling aftershocks, alex? >> reporter: dozens. there have been dozens since that -- natalie, we are actually just feeling one as you say is that right now. so that gives you an idea of the frequency. that was a relatively small tremor compared to some that we have felt tonight. they vary in size. all of them set off your nerves a little bit after you feel what we felt earlier. but they are certainly sxhcommo and we know that ...

A sense of what you believe it was? >> well, i do think starting years ago, he understood that there were certain, sort of dark corners of the american physche that he could provoke. the birther movement was part of that and they're discomfort with a woman running for president or maybe being president. these are all things that he understood in the public and exploited them. >> you say that, where would you get that from, we need more research. >> e wiwe do. he said this to me in 2014 that he understood these types of issues with what he calls the hard land of america. he actually lost a popu...