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Host thank you so much for being here, debora mackenzie. Much of your work over the years i was delighted to read your book which is the first that youve done in this way. Guest the first that ive written. Host it must have been challenging to create such a factual account of a pandemic while it is ongoing. Can you tell us about that . Guest i understand why people would think why are you writing about this now. I deliberately took a step back. As things unfold im not about this misstep or that by the government. Not that level of. What im doing is saying why a pandemic, why now and this is so...

Happened yet . In writing about what we can write about. Im not writing as they unfold or this step or that government not at that level at all. But i am standing back to say why a pandemic and why now . I could do that very quickly i have been writing about this we have been saying this will happen these are the viruses we need to worry about and what we need to do. Its already so obvious those predictions were right on and didnt do what we needed to do so this was the moment to repeat all that stuff at a time when people cant really understand and it really makes sense to them so the message...

My childrens godfather is a former special forces group and he had a line he got from a commander somewhere in his career that said there are some peoplpeople just need killing. Some you will not be able to reason with or negotiate with and there is just evil in the world and that is kind of the approach he takes. He doesnt necessarily like it when he knows it needs to be done he went out and he does it. He runs through the bucs as a combination of multiple people that ive known in the world of government, diplomacy, part of government. Hhes actually named after somebody right here in dc who p...

Maybe some of these positions wont be necessary. I do not support layoffs this year. Supervisor walton, how do you feel about supervisor ronens proposal. We are hearing from supervisor yee and mandelman that they are opposed to layoffs but open to putting money in the second year on reserve. Excuse me, you are on mute. I am definitely open to putting 7 million on reserve for the second year. Again, it is hard for me at this point. Not an impossibility without knowing the officers it is an issue now. What you are hearing there is an appetite to put money the second year on reserve, not for layo...

They just have kept it to themselves. To can be completely honest when i was listening to the Brett Kavanaugh confirmation hearing i was thinking a lot about these women. When women dont tell their stories a narrative is visited upon them, one of blame and shame. You did something wrong. You should have known better. I think that to me is the most resonant message from this book, to take back the narrative, the stigma, have to normalize it. One of four women terminate a pregnancy in the course of her lifetime. Putting a face to that instead of casting women as selfish and evil is important in ...