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Tackle some of the ideological problems that allow groups like isis to exist. at the end of the day, these problems come from that part of the world, from that region. so, there are solutions in that part of the world that have to be really pushed to the forefront. we're not seeing that yet. that's why this ideology continues to exist. you're not going to be an ideology with bombs, missiles and tanks. have you to drain that swamp of the ideology by trying to push forward reform, good governance, democratization and allowing the people there to feel part of a process. >> david, as jim was just ...