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As i read that, it's -- the government, we may not have other people we would be bringing to trial or because of manafort's shady history with lying, we may not be able to put him on the stand, this is something that has valuable information about russia, about the ukraine, and i think they saw him as a potential source of real intel. >> based on your reading, your experience as a fid. do you think it's really possible that manafort had reason or has reason to fear for his safety or the members of his family? >> he may. at this point, manafort is in jail right now, so the prisons do a pretty g...

Government, we may not have other people we would be bringing to trial or because of manafort's shady history with lying, we may not be able to put him on the stand, but this is somebody that has valuable information about russia, about the ukraine, and i think they saw him as a potential source of real intel. >> based on your reading, your experience as a fed, all of it, do you think it's really possible that manafort had reason or has reason to fear for his safety or the members of his family? >> he may. at this point, manafort is in jail right now, so the prisons do a pretty good job of pro...

Traditional cooperating witness, they were intrigued by the intelligence value manafort could offer. as i read that, it's -- the government, we may not have other people we would be bringing to trial or because of manafort's shady history with lying, we may not be able to put him on the stand, this is something that has valuable information about russia, about the ukraine, and i think they saw him as a potential source of real intel. >> based on your reading, your experience as a fid. do you think it's really possible that manafort had reason or has reason to fear for his safety or the members...

Asked the question. >> is that his last name? >> i don't know. >> and he admitted he delayed chawlg it a terrorist -- t theng it a terrorist act debate. the explaination he gave to this fellow was -- he delayed to make sure he was acting on real intel that was a good answer. he could have used it in the debate. that makes no sense to me. >> why do that when you can demigog. >> give him a break when it comes to that issue. >> really? >> well, let's find out the facts before we move forward. >> i agree. he should have said that. he should have said that. >> that's exactly right. >> they pushed t...

Asked the question. >> is that his last name? >> i don't know. >> and he admitted he delayed chawlg it a terrorist -- calling it a terrorist act which means he lied at the debate. the explaination he gave to this fellow was -- he delayed to make sure he was acting on real intel that was a good answer. he could have used it in the debate. that makes no sense to me. >> why do that when you can demigog. >> give him a break when it comes to that issue. >> really? >> well, let's find out the facts before we move forward. >> i agree. he should have said that. he should have said that. >> that's exac...