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Agreement on that, except the one thing i have to ask you, there are lots and lots of scientists who believe in global warming. >> right. >> real scientists, bona fide scientists. you think they're perpetuating a scam? i mean, what do you think it is? >> i think it became an ideology, and there are legitimate scientists like lun brg, who believes there are slight increases that could be beneficial, maybe harmful in the long term, but there are others who are too invested in it. >> and change position. >> there are a lot of scientists who are skeptical who are left out of the debate. >> they ha...