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Jail, this guy. so, to me, it's out of control. this whole reality feature is out of control. >> yeah. it is out of control but not because of the children. it's out of control because of the parents. i suspect this is about them either living vicariously through their children, them making money. >> bill: making money, bernie off of their children. >> that's it. they are making money off of their children. you know, or them -- or them. you know, what bill? or them simply getting to be on television. >> bill: well, maybe. >> could you imagine that? >> bill: yeah, i know. there are people who d...

Jail, this guy. so, to me, it's out of control. this whole reality feature is out of control. >> yeah. it is out of control but not because of the children. it's out of control because of the parents. i suspect this is about them either living vicariously through their children, them making money. >> bill: making money, bernie off of their children. >> that's it. they are making money off of their children. you know, or them -- or them. you know, what bill? or them simply getting to be on television. >> bill: well, maybe. >> could you imagine that? >> bill: yeah, i know. there are people who d...

Jail, this guy. so, to me, it's out of control. this whole reality feature is out of control. >> yeah. it is out of control but not because of the children. it's out of control because of the parents. i suspect this is about them either living vicariously through their children, them making money. >> bill: making money, bernie off of their children. >> that's it. they are making money off of their children. you know, or them -- or them. you know, what bill? or them simply getting to be on television. >> bill: well, maybe. >> could you imagine that? >> bill: yeah, i know. there are people who d...