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Double-standard, unfair places for women to be. [laughter] they pay women less, they treat them terribly. if you talk to a woman in hollywood and you get them to talk, they will tell you, oh, yeah, it's a boys' town. the billion dollar boys' club. >> you just don't know how much boy they are. but, yes, i would say -- >> what does that mean? [laughter] >> we have plenty of time to find out. 15 minutes, please talk. [laughter] >> i just, i don't know -- men in hollywood, you know, are not, i don't know if they're really men. but anyway -- >> all right. >> but this, i don't believe that. >> what ...

Oscars i don't understand because men run against men, women run against women, so i don't get the correlation. i don't understand it. >> yeah. what's the bar? what is the standardsome. >> yeah, so -- >> they're having to act, they're having to act harder? >> yeah, right. [laughter] >> roles are a lot more challenging. when he went through and listed the various roles and sort of sent meryl streep off to the side, of course she can play with the boys -- >> and he did put it like that. >> he did put it like that. you think about how about cate blanchett? he talked about her this the woody allen...

There was no one there wanting to back them up. i think sony has a huge opportunity right now to turn this pr disaster for themselves around, and i think they could even wipe away everything that's happened so far if they stood up and they released the film online, make a big gesture that says that we're not going to bow to terrorists, we're not going to bow to intimidation. put it out there in a way that they deem safe, and they could look now, they could turn the story. i mean, we all know media spin. you could get out there and turn it in your direction. >> what else, what else exists out t...