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This is a 200 page bill. obamacare was 2,000 pages. i can understand that. the house gop and the house senate now, they've just gone backwards. >> alice, your response? >> well, with all due respect to my friend bakari, the talking points are rich. the president and nancy pelosi and democrats promising that if you like your doctor you can keep your doctor, promising they would have lower cost health care with greater access, and with more choices. and that simply hasn't been the case. millions of americans are losing health care. they can't afford it. many premiums have doubled and tripled in ...

And that's exactlily what -- right where we are now is where the house was when they first put a text on the table. we have the more conservative members in the house freedom caucus saying hold on a minute, we want lower cost and more access to care. and others are saying hold on a minute, we prumsed our constituents lower cost and greater access to care. >> bakari, when you hear some of those arguments like senator ted cruz, senator rand paul, their arguments are it's too much like obamacare. you don't see that as a small victory? >> well, no, i don't see it as a small victory because we're t...

Benefits for anybody actually changing the regulatory structure so that you can get premiums to go down. the only way to get good health care is to do that. i know i keep coming back to that, but that's at the core of the problem. medicaid is going to continue to expand, but the gop is going to get hit because they're reducing increases. >> and reducing those increases we're hearing from republican governors like john kasich, would nefgt leave some people who currently have medicaid out of being eligible. how might that result in -- let me rephrase the question. if medicaid isn't going to pay ...

People on the waiting list because so many people have been jammed into the medicaid rolls you have people actually dying waiting for care and medicaid in illinois. that's what we're going to be facing in this country when we continue to jam people into medicaid rolls. the only way to free up the system is get regulations out and do what we suggested. let's flip it. let's have an upt-in. and if states want to get back in obamacare, let's turn it around and let states choose to opt-in. and if you want to reform medicaid, great, but we shouldn't pass a medicaid reform bill and call it obamacare ...

Cruz from texas. chip, you used to be the chief of staff for senator cruz. tell me what it would take those in the no column to move to yes? >> good afternoon, frankly to recommit tople obamacare. any member of the u.s. senate that goes home to their constituents and says this bill repeals it, would simply be lying it. that's why they're not going out to have town halls. instead they're trying to jam it in a short week. because they recognize people back home are saying this isn't going to do anything to lower my premiums, i678 prove my care. all i'm hearing about is tax cuts for the insurer. ...