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Investigation into campaign activities. is it your judgment that the investigation could conceivably or easily extend from campaign during the transition and from the day donald trump put his hand on the bible and took the oath to present day, meaning the administration? does that mean the a.g. would have another recusal question before him? >> it certainly will pose another recusal question, and the answer should be impactexace same. the divide of the inaugural makes no difference to the essential question, does he have a personal question or stake in the outcome. the department of justice gu...

Nominating this man, who has written about his belief that presidents should not deal with the distraction of being sued or being litigated against while in office. what about the notion of this guy, when he gets to the supreme court, could be handed the case of the trump presidency, in effect, pulling himself out of the case, recusing himself from that case. >> a few things. first of all, he said that in 2009 on the bench. ten years before that, he didn't have any trouble with the distractions that he bedeviled president clinton with it. >> worked with ken starr. >> then saw better of it, and...

Another thing i wanted to mention, obviously, a lot of us know rachel brand. she consulted a lot of people before she took this job. this was not a natural fit, she thought at the beginning. she had to be persuaded to do this job, the number three job is a big job at the justice department. certainly she didn't think this would end up being such a hot seat, this level of dysfunction. >> what if anything, katie, are you healiring about rod rosenstein? how secure is he? >> reporter: i think everyone is asking that. within the white house, there has been constant back and forth debate between the...

Accompanied by the attorney general or someone else. >> is it traditionally part of the attorney general's job that he vouchsafes the independence of the doj as an entity from the white house? >> actually it is and it has been on occasions in the past. the department of justice has, i think, a different role in the administration than other agencies because of the need for independence, especially with respect to ongoing investigations. >> to the point on this recusal question, i mean ultimately the decision by the attorney general was a sort of monumental decision.

Sessions' recusarecusal. can you walk us through when it comes to the special counsel? >> on the recusal question he said that mr. sessions, they thought he was going to recuse himself and that's why they didn't want to brief him up about what was said about the russia investigation. and frankly, that's something we could all see coming. sexes himself signalled that he was going to recuse himself and then eventually did. the second thing he said is there was smog he couldn't discuss in open session that made them a little gun shy about talking to the attorney general about this. what we think ...