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System, but at the same time, it addresses, again, a lot of imperfections in america's past and present. >> right. affirmative action is or was the system that we were allowed to use to try to address some of the inequities of the past. a frank and honest attempt at remediation was never allowed. you had 350 years of slavery, jim crow segregation, discrimination, red lining, wage theft, you name it, and then you had the great civil rights legislation of the 1960s. you had, beginning in the nixon administration, a very limited sort of affirmative action like

There's some 43 million people who are in dire need of this life-changing relief. educators who took on this debt because they want to teach our babies and they can't afford to raise their own children and meet the monthly minimums. senior citizens on fixed incomes who have had their wages garnished because they still owe. in fact, they owe more now than they took out. a whole generation of millennial and gen z who can't start a family or grow a business, and black and brown borrowers. black borrowers who have been locked out of every major federal relief program in the country, targeted by re...

It includes people in red states, right? but because abortion bans target red states, those are also states where a lot of red lining happens, where people don't have access to the vote in ways that other people do. so they may want to vote for a pro-abortion candidate, but they don't have access to that, they can't. so i think it's more that, you know, i think there's an idea that we are maybe more conservative or we lean into those catholic ideals, but the reality is that just as rachel said, what we're living day to day is very different from what we want politicians to do and how we want t...

>> that's right. often we cover these stories, it can be hard to visualize them. to show people how people are affected by things like red lining. that's not the case here. in memphis, you can walk into these e1calls, many over 100 yes old. water is leakingq out of the ceiling. in case%ct one school, theçó libpn(y's roofe1 caved in and why. every mornind lunch for her daughter and niece. typically they'd all ride over to the school where she works, but in august, the routine turned upside down when the roof ofxd the library caved in. >> the kids have to go to school so just pray from day-to-...

How do you distinguish the original sin when other groups say, wait a minute, we were discriminated against as well? >> so, i mean, obviously discrimination requires individuals to pursue legal action and there are many different groups, many different types of people that experience discrimination. but reparations is not exclusively about discrimination. it's specifically about government practices that were enacted and enforced that includes things like red lining and racially restrictive covenants, land theft, things the government participated in. there's a distinction there. >> you know t...