what if we remove religion? what if it's an atheist or agnostic couple and the facts are otherwise the same? how would that case play out? >> yeah, that has no relationship here because from the very beginning of the case, massachusetts made clear, as the licensed review team said, it was the family's beliefs. and as the person who did the study for dcf said, their faith is not supportive and neither are they. this is a case of religious discrimination and the first amendment gives a clear answer to that question, and it's been an issue that's come up, unfortunately, across the country for religious traditions of various forms, seventh day adventist, other families, muslims, protestants, massachusetts has said you don't get to participate in public life if you have these beliefs. >> i acknowledge, i read your complaint, you attached to your complaint the entire file, so i'm read in on this. there are some troubling aspects. yes, a lot of fine qualities,