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>> i do. listen. when i wrote the case in 2014, one of the things that shocked me the most was the sheer number of white people throughout the country who either came up to me or wrote me and said i didn't know about red lining. >> right. >> actually, i just legit didn't know. as a writer, my perspective is listen, my job is to tell you the truth. i have no idea what comes after that. at that point, i probably did not view myself -- i would have looked askance at the possibility of me testifying before congress. and so one of the things that shocked me was the sheer ignorance. so there is a gr...

Testified on the controversial argument for reparations, something that many democrats have shied away from in years past. he's cosponsoring the bill that would provide a way for congress to fund and study the issue and in our recent interview, i just asked him why now. >> i've lived and worked most of my life in low income communities, black and brown communities and have been dealing with historical headwinds of segregation, of red lining of health disparities of public policies being stemmed from washington like the gi bill and social security that were designed to exclude african-americans...

Yesterday. so i think, to the extent we can push this forward, have serious substantive conversations, like we did yesterday, i would expect that polling to change actually. >> yeah. do you think that the sort of -- do you think the one thing that would change a polling is actually talking about some of the nitty-gritty of it? >> i do. listen. when i wrote the case in 2014, one of the things that shocked me the most was the sheer number of white people throughout the country who either came up to me or wrote me and said i didn't know about red lining. >> right. >> actually, i just legit didn't...

And just one more i want to mention all out of the same two cents. we can cancel student loan debt for 95% of the kids who got it. >> we can start to close that wealth gap and it's not just that. i have a housing plan to build 3.2 million new housing units in this country and to address the generational impact of red lining that our government used to discriminate against black citizens. [ applause ] i have a plan to deal with the maternal health crisis in this country that black women are dying at three and four times the rate of white women. it's time for some accountability in this system.

Regardless of the ethnicities, i think it is essentially important to understand how capital works and how you utilize it. i'm not saying black or brown or we don't know how to utilize capital. i'm simply saying understanding what you can do with it, understanding wealth and the ability to be able to make things happen. >> absolutely. and i think the problem, joel, has been, and that was the spirit of the question i raised is that people, because of institutional bias, have been on one end denied jobs, and on the other end, entrepreneurs that can do business denied access to capital through ba...