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Something that many democrats have shied away from in years past. he's cosponsoring the bill that would provide a way for congress to fund and study the issue and in our recent interview, i just asked him why now. >> i've lived and worked most of my life in low income communities, black and brown communities and have been dealing with historical headwinds of segregation, of red lining of health disparities of public policies being stemmed from washington like the gi bill and social security that were designed to exclude african-americans from are the terrorism that reigned in our country for g...

Why not be straight about it and move on? >> there's three pieces. i was for voluntary bussing, in one. i was for bussing where the court showed that in fact a legislative body took an action preventing black folks from going to a school. that is the du jure segregation. the difficult part, the third one, do you have an administration through their non-elected officials department decide every school should be equally balanced across the board. that's a different issue. the way to deal with that problem is what i did from the time i was a kid. i got out of law school, came back, had a great jo...

In favor of the feds coming in and mandating bussing as a remedy. but if the bussing came from the fact that it was a all white county or parish and african american kids couldn't go, he was more in favor of fixing the root causes of that organic segregation. that meant ending red lining, integrating neighborhoods. fair housing. it's really nuance. where the state the school board the local government pushed it, or had a policy, he was in favor of the federal government coming in and addressing that wrong. >> you're saying where there's ab all white community, that he didn't want black kids bu...

It is, if there were a natural practice of people living among those who looked like them then they didn't think it was the government's role to interrupt those housing patterns and bus kids away from their domicile. but if there were shenanigans being played here then quote/unquote, he would have spent the money himself for the helicopters to move the kids. >> yes, but the problem with that explanation is it doesn't speak to the fact that there are shenanigans and strategies for segregation that take place and that took place in our neighborhoods. so, in other words, it's not that communities...

Address root causes segregation in the school and community. including taking on banks and red lining and neighborhoods were segregated. i have always been in favor of using federal authority to over come state initiated segregation. >> congressman is here. the national co-chairman of the biden campaign. thank you so much. i appreciate you joining us. thank you. i know it's been a busy time. let's talk about the comments from biden earlier today. he's threading a fine needle because while he did support local bussing programs like the one harris benefitted from, he has a long record of being a...