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Populated area. >> reece, how lucky is fanning to have survived this completely unharmed? we see him giving an interview after. >> very lucky. i think that he fought back. i think that that's a good thing. and i think it was just one of those times where the heavens smiled on him. >> well absolutely the heavens smiled on him. but, laird, for you, can you speak to any direct times that you have been in the water and come in contact or seen the fin of a shark during a competition? >> not during -- no. not during any competitive events. i have had in 45 years of being in the ocean, you know i can...

I saw the whole thing just thrashing around but i was getting dragged under by my leg rope. >> reece halter is joining me from los angeles and joining on the telephone is world class professional surfer laird hamilton. laird, let me start with you. as you see this amazing video of nick fanning and fend off this shark, how common is it for surfers like yourself and competitions to even see or come in contact with a shark? >> well it's pretty unusual. i mean you know the one thing for sure is when you see them that's a good sign because, you know, most attacks that i know of they didn't see it. ...

Should we care? but the giant kangaroo rat is the amazing ecosystem engineer. it's bringing out the rich soils from deep in the earth, pulling them up to the surface. by doing can change the ecosystem. it's also benefitting the ranching community by increasing the i diddiverseity of plants. >> reece, in terms of pieces of the food chain, right. we're at the top of it right. we rarely concern ourselves with what happens to smelt or the kangaroo rat but the ripple effects are pretty profound aren't they? once you take one piece out? >> yeah in this case this kriter is a keystone and you're talki...

But beyond brown grass and short showers, the drought is having a devastating affect on the most basic system of all the food chain. in northern california salmon eggs have all but disappeared thanks to the lack of water. the kangaroo rat has nearly died off. and drier conditions have forced land animals to seek food in urban gardens. ahead of the busy summer season the state wildlife agency in lake tahoe is preparing itself for a barrage of bear sightings. joining me now is conservation biologist reece halter and associate professor at u.k. berkeley justin. justin, let me start with you. in t...

Looking at something entirely different here? >> yeah, well, we are looking at something entirely different. the earth is warming up, and as things warm up, we are getting wild storms, wild weather, and we are supposed to see higher totals, but, you know, it's like there is a new normal happening all the time, and we know one thing, the weather is going to be wild, and wooly. >> thank you, dr. reece halter, always a pleasure. love the orange shirt as well. >> okay, brother. >> that was richard belzer screaming here in the studio. he is going to be joining us a little later. should be a treat. ...