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I say they all go in with different goals. people don't realize how hard prep is, kevin our talking before we came, out it is grueling and no one enjoys, it but it is part of the most important thing that they do, especially now, to your point, about cobwebs. except for ron desantis have been debated last year in the context of his reelection pence has not done it since 2020, i don't think kristi is done in seven years, haley in eight years -- >> and some of never done it in a multi candidate field. >> as someone who is moderated a debate with multi fuel on it, it's hard to manage that dynamic...

>> he's not beyond playing a stand to be the center retention. he also doesn't prepare, so it's not as if he needs to do something that he hasn't been doing along the way. i disagree with kevin a little bit, i actually think he's making a mistake and he is going to regret it because, to some extent, what the others want to do and the republican establishment at large is trying to show people what a party without donald trump looks like. if i were him, i'm not sure that i would allow that visual. obviously, if it is a food fight on wednesday night, that no one looks good. but you know, what som...