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passenger seats. right now, the national standard actually only requires a seatbelt warning system for drivers. but the national highway traffic safety administration says this change, they believe, would boost seatbelt usage, and therefore save over 100 lives per year. car manufacturers would be able to decide how loud and how frequent those sounds are. the public, of course, can chime in on that proposed rule for the next 60 days. thank you so much for joining me tonight. cnn prime time with abby phillip starts right now. >> thank you so much, kaitlan, have a good night. >> you too. >> and good evening everyone, i'm abby philip, welcome to cnn prime time. it is impossible to overstate how historic this moment is. the 45th president of the united states now plans to turn himself in at the fulton county jail this thursday. donald trump also agreeing to a 200,000 dollar bond today, and putting $80,000 on count one, violation of georgia's rico act,

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this case is all about. >> have you ever had 19 -- >> but you know what, i've had big trials. and most of the time, a bunch of the guys plead out before you get there. >> yeah. >> so you're not gonna see all 19 -- >> but to see the giuliani's and the -- these are the characters that been in the public sphere for about two years now. they'll be walking to jail sometime soon. >> it's not just as of donald trump is the only bold face, name, and the group. but the one thing that we've seen is people are complaining about their legal bills. >> oh, yeah. >> so, in addition to mark meadows, who we've sort of wondered what he's doing, is he corroborating in some way, i wonder when these codefendants say, you know, i need help with my legal bills, is that sending a message about, you know, be careful, donald? >> yeah, there is going to be some separation, at some point, it seems like, between a former president and some his codefendants. and it's going to come sooner than people realize. >> and that may very well be what fani willis needs to get

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>> do you think he's right about that? >> i pray he is, but that is kind of rich coming from somebody whose base is going to vote for donald trump to be their nominee and the their standard. this race is going to be over, by all intents and purposes, on january 15th at the iowa caucuses. with that being, said it is very difficult for someone in the republican party, although i applaud him for speaking the truth, it is a very low bar, i applaud him for doing that, it is very difficult for somebody to say that, all of a sudden, donald trump is not going to take the votes. as a democrat, i've got to say that you've got iran afraid, you've got to run scared, if you're not running scared you're not running at all. you should even run scared when you're -- joe biden has got to take the threat of trump very seriously. >> again, even from a jail cell, all those things are quite possible.

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things like, i don't know, the constitution, by saying things like the truth and speaking that truth to power. whether or not that is enough, they are probably at three or 4%. i'm not sure that it's going to catapult them. but, the rest of them are going to do what they have been doing the entire campaign, is not make donald trump that, if you can't stand up to donald trump and somebody who abused the constitution, somebody who has 70 plus felonies and indictments, are you gonna stand up on the world stage leaders who have some kind of -- towards the united states of america. are you gonna stand up for the american people? that is the argument to make against the rest of them. i don't think that that is going to be very interesting, i think donald trump is going to loom large and donald trump may not even, being there, when this debate. >> we may be right about that

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long, iran's look every one of these folks think they can't speak out and they don't speak out. , but it is they're not speaking out, and they're defending of donald trump after each of the indictments, it's the reason why he is gaining in popularity. because the people of the republican base trust are standing up in front of him and saying, not only did donald trump not do anything wrong, he is being attacked by the doj and he was the greatest president ever. so why would you ever expected to pick up anybody else's votes? >> do you think the fact that trump is not on the debate stage, will they even defend him for that, or will it try to do what ron desantis has done in the last couple of days, which is to say trump is more or less hiding from his competitors here? >> i have to separate, i believe it is seven people on the debate stage, but you have to separate asa hutchinson and chris christie from the rest. isa hutchinson and chris christie are going to do what is necessary by defending

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everything is possible. >> a stark warning from you to your party there, bakari. noted. adam kinzinger, bakari sellers, thank you very much. coming up next, one even played a stand in for trump back in 2016. i will ask them, who stands to win on wednesday night and who stands to lose without the real donald trump on that stage. my cpa told me

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security umbrella or bubble wherever they go, utilizing their counterparts and state, local, and federal law enforcement. so, it will be a big departure from how they do their job. the biggest departure is, in this case, where they're doing their job. >> ray moore, the thank you for all those invaluable insights, we appreciate it. >> you're welcome, and thank you. >> and coming up next for, us imagine for a minute what it's like to run against donald trump. you can't go to him to get on the debate stage, and you can take a moment in the debate without turning off the voters that you need the most. and now, he may even steal the spotlight by turning himself in a in a criminal trial the day after the debate. so, how do you win? we'll discuss, next. ♪ chevy silverado has what it takes s to do it all. with up to 13 camera views. and the z71 off-road package. ♪

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bakari sellers. so, adam, trump is not going to be there but a lot of the candidates have pledged to basically defend him. what does this mean for what is going to happen on that debate stage and really the trajectory that this race is headed? >> well, it is going to mean that we are going to be entertained at the fact that you're going to have a number of people who are going to sit there on the debate stage, trying to attack other people up there on the debate stage who may be pulling at one or 2% so that they can show the audience that they are tough, without actually doing the tough thing and going after the front runner. it is going to be crazy to watch. but you will see the differentiation between, it'll be a big question of where does mike pence go, for instance. now you'll see somebody like chris christie, who certainly is not going to ignore donald trump, and then you'll see somebody like ron desantis who is already kind of pretending like he's going to be the guy that everybody is paying attention to. i think what it means, in the

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all these powerful dictators were, but we're not talking much about it because people don't care about tucker carlson anymore. so, i don't think that this is going to be the thing that overshadows of the debate and get donald trump's special attention, or will make him feel good because tucker will continuously kiss up to him and donald trump loves that. but, what we'll do, that is the arrest on thursday. it is, no matter what we talk about on thursday, all the oxygen is going to be sucked out and we're going to be talking about donald trump's arrest on thursday, yet again, and his bail yet again and his felonies yet again and, yet again, we're going to watch a lot of these candidates for president not have the courage to tell the base the truth and then wonder why donald trump is still in the lead. >> i want to play for you what republican senator bill cassidy said the sunday on state of the union, listen. >> i think joe biden needs to be replaced but i think don't think americans will vote for someone who has been convicted.

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