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Okay. I dont have anything further. Others . Thank you for your recounting and commissioner keane that helped me. I was going to come at this differently. Would you treat this request the same way . How would you treat the request that came from mr. Ringel . How would the department treat the request today . Its treaty similarly but since i have been appointed we made procedurally changes and added staff in my department to specifically target these types of Public Record well, all record requests really, and so we have a better procedure in place to identify those planner who is are involved ...

Matters over timely. Is that correct . We are. In fact so just to sum up then your you are stating to us that the Planning Department violated those sections referenced in the report of our staff . We did not provide some of those materials in a timely fashion, yes. Which was a violation of the rules as reflected in the materials that are put forth in the report of our staff . Youve already said you agree with it . Thats correct. Okay. I dont have anything further. Others . Thank you for your recounting and commissioner keane that helped me. I was going to come at this differently. Would you t...

Who did he report to . Director ram. So above him was director john ram. Thats correct. I take it to regard to any things done in violation of any rules or regulation by these individuals who were named in the report that at some point mr. Ram would have been informed of that if the supervisor knew of it and that he would have taken some disciplinary steps . He would have informed if they felt the department wasnt in compliance or the planners werent responding in a timely fashion and to my understanding there was no knowledge of that of the supervisor at that time so in other words we felt th...

Closed session deliberations regarding the performance evaluation of mr. St. Croix. So moved. Second. Public comment . No Public Comment, all in favor . Aye. Opposed . There is none, so the motion passes. Before we move on to the next agenda item, i do want to commend the executive director for his excellent performance this year. We had some trying issues come up and i think we had some real breakthroughs as well in terms of legislation and work we have been really trying to get done. And i think its a testament to his leadership. And i think we have all benefited from his great work and the ...

That we may, but need not include findings of fact. I think its a good point. Does it answer a particular question . I think its a good point. We have had had occasions where members of the public have asked for things to be in a certain format and sort of repeatedly demanded that they be in a certain format and when were ambiguous or when were silent, then it leads to confusion. So the emphasis that i think i hear in your comment is that we need not include the findings of law and fact in this document is the permission not to do it, not the fact that we may do so when we want to . It might b...