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Forecast. we know obviously and listen i'm a democrat. i don't wake up in cold sweats about the deficit. we know there are a lot of republicans who are concerned about that. >> that's a national security issue, too. >> harris: you are concerned about it. >> i am concerned about it. >> jessica: we are losing 330 billion from the repeal of the obamacare individual mandate in revenues. we will have to make that up somewhere else. i'm thrilled that you are hiring more. >> harris: you know what? can i just say it's a little disingenuous and i have looked at the sun setting that you are talking abou...

Here, this is one of those episodes when it flares up, chris. and the republicans from the very beginning have been seeking to discredit obama. not saying we disagree with his policies, but to say this guy is bad. this guy is other, this guy is something else. you know, there has been this sort of latent obama derangement syndrome. the virus remains in the blood. and it seems to flare up from time to time. but it's not necessarily something they're calculating, i think. it's just there is some sort of reflexive hatred that drives us from time to time. >> let me go to sam on this. maybe you don...

Most money, you know, asked to be done the most? it seems to me that's common sense. it's not about punishment, it's about, go where the money is. >> well, can i jump in here? >> sure, you're in. >> well, part of the argument is that government actually does some useful things and the business community has prospered from it. so, of course, you're not simply taking your hard-earned dollars and giving them to some lazy bum on the street. you're showing that we have a system that for all its failures actually made this country what it is. and that it's what you do to, you know, contribute your p...

And that it's what you do to, you know, contribute your part to it. there's an interesting corollary to this, too, because what we're really talking about is just a kind of reflexive hatred of government itself, all right? now, if you go back and look at republican and democratic debates in the kennedy era, something, chris, you know especially well, kennedy wanted to cut taxes, and it was republicans who actually opposed it. they thought it was fiscally imprudent. why? because they thought the government should be solvent and it should do the important things we go through the nixon years, yo...

Household term e.j.'s come up with. the upkeep. keeping our bridges safe, keeping our roads worthy, keeping our electrical systems working, keeping our sewers working. that's called upkeep. shouldn't the people with the most money, you know, asked to be done the most? it seems to me that's common sense. it's not about punishment, it's about, go where the money is. >> well, can i jump in here? >> sure, you're in. >> well, part of the argument is that government actually does some useful things. and the business community has prospered from it. so, of course, you're not simply taking your hard-e...