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And the problem with that is, we're not talking about individual charity. we're not talking about what you put in the church basket or send to your synagogue. we are talking about what are our responsibilities to maintain the government of our country? and i think, thanks partly to elizabeth warren, we're having a different conversation now, where this isn't about punishing the rich, whether it's that guy or warren buffett, or somebody else. this is about the fact that if you're lucky enough to be born here, we didn't pick the country we were born in. you have a chance to make your hard work t...

Responsibility to the upkeep of the commons, which allowed them to become rich. so this is not about hating rich people. >> the upkeep of the country. there's a nice, sort of household term e.j.'s come up with. the upkeep. keeping our bridges safe, keeping our roads worthy, keeping our electrical systems working, keeping our sewers working. that's called upkeep. shouldn't the people with the most money, you know, asked to be done the most? it seems to me that's common sense. it's not about punishment, it's about, go where the money is. >> well, can i jump in here? >> sure, you're in. >> well, ...

Household term e.j.'s come up with. the upkeep. keeping our bridges safe, keeping our roads worthy, keeping our electrical systems working, keeping our sewers working. that's called upkeep. shouldn't the people with the most money, you know, asked to be done the most? it seems to me that's common sense. it's not about punishment, it's about, go where the money is. >> well, can i jump in here? >> sure, you're in. >> well, part of the argument is that government actually does some useful things. and the business community has prospered from it. so, of course, you're not simply taking your hard-e...