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New orleans. professor, thanks for coming on. you don't seem like a reflexive opponent of trying something different in the public schools. what exactly is your problem with betsy devos' approach? >> i agree there need to be changes, even her starting point for school choice is a good starting point. the problem is, that's also the ending point. that's one principle, there are other principles that need to go along with this. choice, we've seen this in other places with vouchers, the virtual schools she supported. some version of charter schools, including some in michigan where the market is ...

Professor, thanks for coming on. you don't seem like a reflexive opponent of trying something different in the public schools. what exactly is your problem with betsy devos' approach? >> i agree there need to be changes, even her starting point for school choice is a good starting point. the problem is, that's also the ending point. that's one principle, there are other principles that need to go along with this. choice, we've seen this and in r places with vouchers, the virtual schools she supported. some version of charter schools, including some in michigan where the market is left to rule ...