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So i think this is a conversation not just for the hill. this is a conversation for all of us to have in our own communities, whether that be at a neighborhood group or in a church. >> i mean, david jolly, let's just -- these people didn't come up with the idea that masks are a political statement in a vacuum. of course they're responsible now, especially if they contaminate their children's views about masks as something to protect their teachers and their classmates, none of whom under 12 are vaccinated, but they were also led to that view. they were led to the position that an orange piece ...

Coddling a viewpoint of people who say i think it's divisive. it's the trump years. trump said he loved the flag so now they say they got to be against it. it's nutty. it's reflexive partisanship and it's awful and it ought to stop. >> tnatasha? >> well, i'm surprised that this is news that people are surprised that the flag is being politicized. so, i come from a proud military family. my father served in the military. my uncle served. my aunt served. they all fly the flag with pride. but at the same time, i know that there's a history in this country of certain groups using the flag, the ame...

Right? xenophobia, racism, nativism, isolationism, reflexive partisanship. these have been with us from the beginning, and they'll be with us to the end. our greatest moments have been those in which we have made those forces ebb as opposed to flow. right now they're flowing. and one thing we can see in the impeachment drama and one thing that would make me feel slightly more confident about the future of things is it's perfectly fine, it's within their constitutional duty for united states senators to say, this is not an offense for which -- these two articles do not rise in their opinion to ...

Have been trying to push in order to kind of try to counter act this idea that the president was trying to damage one of his political rivals. it's really interesting, the president's twitter feed sort of always provides this really interesting in time version of conta exactly what he was looking at. again and again it's the president's offhand comments, things he says off the cuff on the south lawn, for instance, asking china to investigate the bidens that wind up really coming back as evidence the democrats can use against him. things for instance in the mueller report where his words are be...

It's really interesting, the president's twitter feed sort of always provides this really interesting in time version of exactly what he was looking at. again and again it's the president's offhand comments, things he says off the cuff on the south lawn, for instance, asking china to investigate the bidens that wind up really coming back as evidence the democrats can use against him. things for instance in the mueller report where his words are being used to build that case against him. >> john, mark short, the chief of staff for vice president pence in addition to giving kind of glancing appr...