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And losing track of the weapons. >> that is why the committee has started the investigation into this program? >> absolutely. when you have a federal agent, first again you've got to go back february 4th of 2011. department of justice denied any knowledge of the program in a letter to us and we actually know that they tried to cover this up because they knewç tha we knew. and actually could have come clean as early as march. they were involved and they should let us know. instead of doing that, they went nearly 11 months and stone walled the committee not providing information. >> but you ar...

Guns to the strawç purchasers. the effort was to stop them but the question was how. >> now, the republicans claim atf agents deliberately let over 2,000 guns walk as a result of fast and furious. is that not true? >> that is not accurate. agents in the course of their investigation and through shoe leather work identified 2,045 guns that their suspects had purchased. they entered these guns and the serial numbers into a suspect gun data base. but the fact of the matter is 75% of the guns in that data base, they never surveilled. they didn't know about until after the fact. 183 of those guns...

Proposes a plan to walk guns in a completely separate investigation. dodson pushes. submits to a supervisor. john dodson who is issa's chief whistle blower is the only agent who actually used taxpayer funds, purchased guns, and put them into the hands of a suspected trafficker. >> so the main witness, the main whistle blower of what atf agents wrs doing, john dodson, was the only one that actually did this. >> that is correct. and whatever your definition of gunwalking and there have been so many in the course of this investigation, that is really the most egregious example that he procured th...

Plan to walk guns. which is a claim that has become fact. >> thank you so much for being with us tonight. let me go back to you congressman schiff. you heard what she has said after her investigation. if her investigation is true and "fortune" magazine has printed it, why are we so far away from the truth and why is the american public led to believe there was this gunwalking operation when in fact it was not. i mean, how could this possibly happen and why are we on the verge of the attorney general in contempt. >> if those facts are correct, the reason they haven't come to the surfaceç unti...