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Killing civilians. he's good at using chemical weapons on moms and dads and kids. is he out of his depth when it comes to a relatively well trained national military? >> he's fighting a completely different war, you're right. he is fighting a syrian war in europe. it's still having its effect, though, in that president putin wants to devastate parts of the ukraine. he certainly is devastating these cities and causing a lot of depopulation of the cities and creating large refugee streams. it's all of a plan, but it's a bit of a twisted plan. i think what they're looking for mainly is just to ca...

Both refugee streams, which they have been successful. >> pakistan, saudi arabia. >> excuse me. >> clearly the intelligence didn't rise to that level. and again -- >> for pakistan. >> should get scrutiny. >> these seven countries. >> you talk about san bernardino, the wife who you are talking about who came over, she came from pakistan. no? >> no, no, i know, but, you have two, you have to have multiple layers of intelligence to reach this kind of a conclusion. and if you look the at the multiple layers of intelligence to reach this conclusion, they were right in ordering a security review. be...

Couple more, that this will be -- this would end up with a shootout. >> as you well know, france stepped up security after the charlie hebdo attacks back in january, and yet isis was able to pull off these terror attacks in paris last week. do you think they were successful because french counterterrorism dropped the ball? or because these guys have now figured out ways to stay off the grid and remain undetected until they make their move? >> i have met the paris police and these people this year. and from my book launch. and i know that they're very sincere people. they cannot afford other at...

That's americans, brits, australian, germans, who have those passports and can travel freely. so the expectation is this will not be the last attack of its kind. we have waves and waves of refugees coming out of the region. if you're isis, what would you do? of course, you would penetrate and assault your operatives throughout those refugee streams. we have reports that one if not two killers were so-called refugees coming through greece elsewhere. as a result, they will exploit the geopolitical realities and bring the jihad to the infidel on their own soil. >> i've heard many critics say ther...

That's americans, brits, australian, germans, who have those passports and can travel freely. so the expectation is this will not be the last attack of its kind. we have waves and waves of refugees coming out of the region. if you're isis, what would you do? of course, you would penetrate and assault your operatives throughout those refugee streams. we have reports that one if not two killers were so-called refugees coming through greece elsewhere. as a result, they will exploit the geopolitical realities and bring the jihad to the infidel on their own soil. >> i've heard many critics say ther...