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Don't have war anymore. even americans might say why do we have our troops in south korea, didn't we end the war, let's bring the boys home. that really just undercuts the rationale for our troop presence. >> that's the giveaway, isn't it? if they push in that direction in the first couple hours that's what he's pushing for. >> that's what he's saying by saying we need regime security. >> and the japanese are very scared of that. >> another one of our veteran analysts has joined us, that's jeremy bash, former chief of staff at cia, former chief of staff at pentagon. so his bona fides are clear...

Of things that they previously talked their way into. do you think that the approach that you've seen tonight from the president and this administration reflects those lessons learned? >> rachel, i was someone who supported this meeting because in north korean culture, at least, and i think sue would agree with this and victor, that only leaders make decisions because in north korea he is the only one that makes decisions. yes, he has to worry about the military as governor richardson just said but there isn't a free press, there isn't a we the people, there's no one to constrain him, except f...

>> brian, here's the thing. how do we guarantee regime security for north korea? we're talking about we need to guarantee their regime security? how do we do that? we've given that previous in 2005. we gave them statements we're not going to attack, we're not lookingor regime change. it's already there. so it goes back to what do they want? what do we have to do to guarantee their regime? is it a peace treaty? pull out the troops? it has to be more. why would they believe us by another statement? >> kim guarantees his regime by killing people. so if donald trump says, i guarantee you'd be able...

With president trump from position of strength or at least at equal partner to see what north korea can get out of the united states in this negotiation. >> what is your sense of what north korea wants at this point? when you look at incentives that the u.s. could employ, that south korea could deploy, you had that summit between north and south korea, the first one, in which south korea agreed to do some spending on infrastructure in the country. is it that? is it infrastructure investment? >> i think that's secondary. first thing is security guarantee. now is there any way that u.s. can real...

Has his -- an intimate and detailed understanding of the issues that he wants to talk about and what kim jong-un, the north korean leader, wants to get out of this. of course, central to this is the issue of denuclearization. kim jong-un says that he wants denuclearization of the north korean peninsula. the united states is looking for something that is verifiable, that is lasting, and that is not possible for north korea to reverse sometime later. what we're seeing at the dmz talks here between the u.s. representatives led by the former ambassador, the u.s. former ambassador to south korea, n...