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We're told if the negotiations start without that precondition then it will easily achieve his departure at the end of it. he needs to go with respect is what we're told. the regime views and believes it is still strong here, and that's why it thinks it can try and have it -- have the terms the way it views them. but there is one problem here, and that is that gadhafi himself has yet to convince all the tribes here to support saif al islam, his son, and without that tribal support whatever they try to sell to the international community, the op pog, if it doesn't fly -- if it doesn't fly with ...

Father to move to one side, saif al gadhafi to take over. what we're being told is that the father won't go at the point of a gun, that if negotiations start out with the precondition for regime change and him leaving it's not going to happen. we're told if the negotiations start without that precondition then it will easily achieve his departure at the end of it. he needs to go with respect is what we're told. the regime views and believes it is still strong here, and that's why it thinks it can try and have it -- have the terms the way it views them. but there is one problem here, and that i...

Ben wedeman with opposition forces. in tripoli nic robertson. and at the state department jill dougherty. nick, this is a confusing situation. the envoy sent by gadhafi to negotiate with the west is proposing that gadhafi's son saif take over for his father? >> reporter: that's it. this is sort of an old idea that's been out there for some time. saif gadhafi has been running this country, we're told, on a day-to-day basis for the last couple of years. this was a plan we were told was always in the works, for the father to move to one side, saif al gadhafi to take over. what we're being told is...

Dougherty. nick, this is a confusing situation. the envoy sent by gadhafi to negotiate with the west is proposing that gadhafi's son saif take over for his father? >> reporter: that's it. this is sort of an old idea that's been out there for some time. saif gadhafi has been running this country, we're told, on a day-to-day basis for the last couple of years. this was a plan we were told was always in the works, for the father to move to one side, saif al gadhafi to take over. what we're being told is that the father won't go at the point of a gun, that if negotiations start out with the precon...