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In past. second of all, they don't necessarily have to go up. we have to find a better way to get more people actively and voluntarily participating in the healthcare process today. right now individuals are being priced out of it, and then we're finding that because they are priced out of the individual market. remember we're talking about individuals on what we call the individual market, not individuals that are in the group market. it's about 6% of our total population. but the individuals who have no place else to go, they apply for individual health insurance. if they are sick, then -- a...

As the senate voted, as john mccain walked out and gave the thumbs down, president obama's voice was nowhere to be heard. do you think he should be more of an activist in speaking out on his agenda as we move toward fall? >> i think president obama's voice and his message have been very clear, which is that health care is a right for all and not a privilege for a few. that's why he took the courageous step. it was politically unpopular at the time but it was the right thing to do and he never wavered in that commitment to ensuring access to health care for all. we've gotten so much closer to u...

Program for high risk individuals. we have submitted a 1332 state innovation waiver. again, all with the hope that we're going to be able to somehow provide for some level of stabilization. what sort of considerations or state-based reinsurance programs will you consider? >> i think the whole array of opportunities that are available to make certain that nobody falls through the cracks. the 32 paver program is one that's just beginning, but it's one that holds significant promise in making certain that we're able to ensure that things like reinsurance, high risk pools mauk it so that individua...

They can get more subsidies from the government, right? from taxpayers. >> obamacare included lots of provisions for subsidizing the insurers. it's ironic president obama's sort of anti-insurer rhetoric during the bill, there's all sorts of things. risk corridors, there's reinsurance programs, and a lot of it gives the administration leeway. they can tweak it one way, tweak it another, expand it, and so i think that if they don't get the numbers that they're hoping for, sebelius is promising that, you know, spring surge in young people, they will have to bail out the insurers to keep them from...

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