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Unintentional. he will be sentenced under the most serious. second degree murder. the statute says 40 years. practicality says 30 years. it's believed that he may get somewhere between 10 1/2 and 30. where to you think the judge comes down here? >> i think -- okay. the citizen guidelines in this calls for between 10 to 15 year sentence. on the second degree murder alone, he's facing up to 40 years in prison. the third degree, he's facing at least up to 25 years in prison. on the second degree manslaughter, he's facing up to about ten years in prison. those are all as martha explained run concu...

Order the hire more police officers. >> gillian: martha, stick with us. i want to bring in ted williams. he's a former d.c. detective who is also been following this trial, this case for us. ted, john said a few moments ago that whatever happens today, this is far from over, this is not the end of the road for derek chauvin. there's going to be an appeal. to some degree, a lot of americans are watching this sentencing and acknowledging it is kind of like the pinnacle or the culmination of everything that has come before over the last 13 months. the murder, the video of the murder and the riots...

Rousely satisfy americans on both sides of the political aisle, that can satisfy the tremendous appetite for justice with this case? or is that a pipe dream. >> martha: it's a great question, gillian. the reason this case has so much attention and so much emotion and passion around it is because of what it ignited. it was the horrific video where americans watched the death of george floyd. we know a man has been convicteded in his death. the outrage that emanated from that video from that moment on memorial day of 2020 is about to get some sort of finality here. the family says they won't be ...

Our necks." that's obviously a direct reference to the george floyd case. but he argued that he was at an mlk march in washington and it had nothing to do with that, that he was supporting the larger black lives matter movement. that is sort of the life line that derek chauvin has right now. the question whether it can be overturned. this case did not go well for him. eric nelson, his attorney, did his best to represent him. there was very little ed in his favor when this broke down, a very difficult case from his side. most of the thinking is that even on appeal, this will be a difficult caus...

Which is the existence of aggravating factors that the district attorney, the prosecutor prosecutes and then the judge indeed rules that they exist. here to my colleague's points, yes, the statute guidelines go about 12 1/2 years for a first-time offender. note in the most relevant comp case in minnesota, in 2019, mold noir, deaths of a shooting of a woman there he was sentenced to 12 1/2 years. a lesser conviction there but sentenced to the minimum amount. to everyone else's points, i see an acknowledgement of that likely by judge cahill that will lead him short of the 40 years that would lea...