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Ayman

few cycles, unrealistic. you know, you mentioned like the new letter, old goats, i am an old goat. and i have been following since the 1980s. since the 80s, the 90s, the early part of the 20th sent rear turnout was lower than it has been in the last three cycles. we might see a reversion of it and go back to the period when not as many people were interested. however, the other factor that we have not talked about the first rematch since 1956. eisenhower won for the second time before that, you have to go back to 1888. so, rematches are uncommon. and people don't like them. they want something new.

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Ayman

trial? or that we are gearing up for a rematch that no one wanted. they said i don't think biden has done much as preside and if trump gets elected and i feel it will be just the same thing before biden got elected. to that point is this low-level interest in this year's election due to a brooder sense that our political system is broken and our government is not representing us. no matter where you fit on the political spectrum. to answer all of those questions, life questions, i would say. let's bring in. our panel. just to be clear i disagree. i don't think joe biden and trump was the same for this country. i know it was a sound bite we shared but what do you make of

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in or focused on what is going on. once you get more paid media focusing on his accomplishments and job creation but economic successes as president but what he will do in a second term you get the avengers out there on the campaign trail, the cabinet members, mayors, a strong bench of topnotch surrogates out there. once you see it heat up on the democrat side, there will be a lot of excitement and enthusiasm and it will reflect in similar polls like this. >> this is, i think, the first time matthew in my lifetime, that we are seeing a rematch of two former presidents. it has been a minute since we have seen that. how much of that is a factor? this is a match up that people were not excited about from the get go. irrespective of who the two men are and how different they are but the mere fact that it is a replay of two individuals and

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Ayman

especially when they have two candidates of record age. you have a rematch and you have two old guys, neither of which are recipes for high turnout. >> adrian. thousands of voters showed their frustration with the biden administration's handling of the israel-gaza war. through uncommitted and unrestricted votes. how much of that is low voter turnout? you have a chance in the primary to say, to express your frustration, express your concern and vote uncommitted such as a lot of the voters in the democratic party in michigan. there is a strong belief on the biden campaign. a strong belief that is reflected in polls that a lot of the voters will come home when it comes to the election. it was just laid out perfectly. a giant concern about protecting democracy.

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Ayman

gearing up for the presidential rematch that absolutely no one really wanted? as one poll told nwc news, i don't think biden has done much as president. if trump gets elected, i just feel it will be the same thing as it was before biden got elected. and to that point is this low level interest in this year's election due to a broader sense that our political system is broken and that our government isn't representing us. no matter where you fit on the political spectrum. to answer all those questions, life questions i would say, let's bring in the former senior aid for the biden-harris campaign. matthew doughty analyst, and also with us jonathan alter and msnbc contributor. adrian, i'll start with you. just to be clear, i disagree with that assessment. i don't think joe biden and donald trump are the same for this country. i know that was a quote we shared from one person who participated in the poll.

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Ayman

them. they want something new and especially when they would have two candidates of the record age. you have a rematch and you have two old guys, neither of which are recipes for the high turnout. >> and thousands of voters across the country have showed their frustration with the biden administration's handling of the israel, gaza war through their uncommitted votes and unrestricted votes. how much do you think that might be a factor into the early poll numbers about the low voter turnout? >> reporter: look, i mean ayman, this is the beauty of democracy, right? where you have a chance in a primary to say to express your frustration and express your concern, and vote uncommitted such as allowing the voters and the democratic primary in michigan. there is a strong belief on the biden campaign that is reflected it in the polls this a lot of these voters will come home when it comes to the election. they just laid this out perfectly. there is a giant concern about protecting democracy.

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Ayman

to meet these expectations that we have had in the last few cycles are kind of unrealistic as you mentioned the newsletter, i'm an old goat covering politics since the 1980 election and to the 80s, the 90s, in the early part, turnout was much lower than what it has been in the last three cycles. so we actually might see that reversion to the mean and go back to the period when, you know, just not too many people are interested. however, the other factor that we haven't talked about beyond this being the first rematch since 1956 when stevenson and eisenhower squared off and he won for the second time. before that you'll need to go back to 1888. so the rematches are extremely uncommon and people don't like

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Ayman

a lot of voters who are not tuned in to the election and who are not focused on what's going on. and i think once you get more paid media out from biden's campaign, focusing on his accomplishments. focusing on not only the job creation, but the successes as president that he has achieved so far. you'll get what i call the avengers out there on the campaign trail, the cabinet members, the governor. we have a strong bench of really topnotch surrogates out there. once you see the campaign heat up, i think it will be a lot of excitement and a lot of enthusiasm, and that will make a big difference and reflect in similar polls like this. >> this is the first time matthew, certainly in my lifetime that we're seeing a rematch of two former presidents. it's been a minute. it's safe to say we've seen this. how much of that is a factor that this is a matchup that people are not necessarily excited about from the get go? and in respective of who these two men and how different they are by the mere fact it's kind

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Alex Witt Reports

freedom groups will be on the oits making sure that voters know.>> another question is a key finding of the national poll released today. it shows voters with a high interest in the election hit a 20 year low. but it also shows some promising signs for the president. he trails donald trump by two points. what do you make of this apathy? >> i think it israel. voters have been saying they do not want this rematch. and we kind of wish away that poll number. but they said we would like a different choice. and the news is good for joe biden. even though you see national numbers trending in the election and it will be decided by the electoral college, it indicates

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